How To Register School Bus As An Rv In Oregon

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Anyone out there know the actual statute or number of the dominion that defines an "RV" when converting a school omnibus to RV?
A buddy of mine just bought a very nice 40' rear powered Bluebird, went to the DMV to get the registration transferred to his name, and when DIRECTLY asking what was SPECIFICALLY needed to pass inspection to be reclassified every bit an RV, he was NOT given a straight answer past three dissimilar people in a row.

My understanding was that all it takes is a toilet, not necessarily even a permanent 1, and perhaps a mattress.  When I did mine all I had in it was a portable pottie, and the guy didn't even care.
Only I'd similar to know the bodily word-for-word, or even ameliorate, the actual rule number so he tin can quote information technology to them and have information technology right side by side time he drives his bus there to become it inspected.  They were and then absurdly non-committal that  he was left totally in the night...

Cheers

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1962 Crown
San Diego, Ca

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It has to take eating, sleeping, and a toilet (shower not necessary) facilities and not seat more than 15 (so it would nonetheless be considered a bus).  This has to be congenital in facilities (the toilet can be a portable type).  But conveying a Coleman stove with a cooler is not considered eating facilities.  Good Luck, TomC

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Tom & Donna Christman. '77 AMGeneral 10240B; 8V-71TATAIC V730.

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I was told to fill out a "Statement of Facts", bachelor at the DMV, and got my license plates.  It is a legal document for these things.  I did get the run effectually and you take to keep going and going up till you notice someone that knows what they are doing.  I would fill out the argument of facts, go in to get your'e plates and ask for supervisors till someone accepts the document.  It has worked for others also.

Ray D

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Here's the CVC section (direct link http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d01/vc362.htm):

362.  A "house car" is a motor vehicle originally designed, or permanently altered, and equipped for human habitation, or to which a camper has been permanently attached. A motor vehicle to which a camper has been temporarily attached is not a firm car except that, for the purposes of Sectionalisation 11 (commencing with Section 21000) and Division 12 (commencing with Section 24000), a motor vehicle equipped with a camper having an axle that is designed to back up a portion of the weight of the camper unit shall be considered a three-axle house car regardless of the method of attachment or style of registration. A house car shall non be deemed to be a motortruck.

Now, what "designed and equipped for human being abode" means is a matter that is not explicitly defined in the CVC.  Rather, there are administrative guidelines that the DMV has, and there is judicial instance law around information technology.  For example, here is a judgment from the court of appeals regarding the denial of a change in status to "Housecar" of a truck tractor modified with living quarters: http://world wide web.courtinfo.ca.gov/opinions/archive/G032879.PDF.  Finding those in writing is much more difficult than merely looking it upwards on the state'south web site.

FWIW, there is nothing at all in any of the other 28 legal codes in California defining this further (although "Housecar" is referenced several times in the Penal and Wellness & Safety codes, as well equally throughout the CVC).

As Tom wrote, the DMV mostly wants to meet some "permanent" modification for cooking and/or toilet facilities.  Just information technology volition definitely depend on what inspector y'all get when y'all bulldoze upwardly -- there'due south really null you tin betoken them to in writing.  Note that in the judgment I quoted above, an extensively modified truck tractor was still required to annals as a commercial vehicle.

If you get to the DMV, and they refuse "Housecar" status fifty-fifty with permanently installed facilities, enquire them to point to whatever regulation they recollect they're citing.  Or enquire for a supervisor.  If none of that works, simply go to a unlike DMV office -- somewhen, you lot'll become someone who knows what they're doing.

FWIW.

-Sean
http://OurOdyssey.BlogSpot.com

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Hi boogiethecat...how are you doing?  Crowns forever and all that stuff.  Oregons requirements may exist unlike than Commiefornias, but the nice local friendly Oregon DMV lady said the specifications "were federal in nature" for whatever that is worth.  I made my apppointment and drove the Crown to the local DMV.

To go my 1974 Crown 10-wheeler licensed in Oregon as a motorhome (come across above) all I needed was permanent sleeping and cooking facilities.  No toilet required at all.  I screwed a full size bed frame to the floor using turnbuckles and the existing floor bus seat holes.  Tightning the turnbuckes insured a very firm, tight bed frame.

And then I strapped a apartment sized propane stove/oven to the floor in the same fashion, hooked upward the gas to a throw-a-way propane bottle and stashed the bottle in the oven compartment.  The top burners worked fine, only obviously the oven could not be used.  No problem there, I never use the thing anyway.

Judge what.  The kind, friendly local Oregon DMV lady simply climbed into the driver's seat, looked at the VIN tag on top of the heater mounted on the dashboard, glanced to the rear and asked me if I had cooking and sleeping arrangements.  Yes I answered.  She but smiled and signed off.

That easy.  In x minutes I walked out with Oregon motor home plates.  Again, patently this is a very pocket-sized mountain valley town in SW Oregon.  What worked for me may not piece of work elsewhere, especially in Commiefornia.  Your results may vary.  I later dated the lady.  He he he.  Crowns forever!

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We found information technology a lot easier to accept the local CHP inspector to come up out and look at it.  He verified the numbers on the chassis, talked buses for about a half hour and signed the class.

Don and Cary
GMC4107
Neoplan AN340

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1973 05 Eagle
Neoplan AN340

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Hello Boogie,

   I had a similar experience that HB of CJ did - only at the Fremont, CA DMV office (eastward SF Bay Area).  I had my local PD send out a CSO (Community Service Officer), to verify the VIN, and took the form in to the office.  A very short commutation occured:

Clerk: "It's a housecar?"
Me: "Yes."
Clerk: "Diesel?"
Me: "Yes."
Clerk: "That will be $90"
Me: "Can you lot break 100?"
Clerk: "Yup."

I handed over the cash and he came back with the plates, registration tag, and told me the new championship would exist mailed within the calendar week.

The play a trick on when dealing with the government - is to say equally lilliputian as possible and be honest up front...

-Tim

P.S. Another thing you might want to take your friend await at is: the California DMV Recreational Vehicles and Trailers Handbook.  Make sure that if your friend goes to the DMV he uses the term housecar (if the clerk says "motorhome", make sure that he corrects the clerk [there is no CVC definition for a "motorhome", although the term is defined in the DMV handbook linked in this post]).  If the clerk presses the "motorhome" term he should ask for a supervisor... -T

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Fremont, CA
1984 Gillig Phantom 40/102
DD 6V92TA (MUI, 275HP) - Allison HT740
Conversion Progress: ten% (9-years invested, thirty to become )

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Brand certain that if your friend goes to the DMV he uses the term housecar (if the clerk says "motorhome", make sure that he corrects the clerk [there is no CVC definition for a "motorhome", although the term is defined in the DMV handbook linked in this mail service]).  If the clerk presses the "motorhome" term he should inquire for a supervisor... -T

In Alberta, I tried to annals my "passenger vehicle" as a motorhome, merely the figurer choked on the serial number. The trouble was that they have to fill in 2 serial numbers for the motorhome nomenclature: one for the chassis, and one for the living quarters. The amanuensis tried to utilize that same number for both, but could not override the error. He called the DMV folks -- we have individual registry agents in Alberta -- they said to just annals it "Utility" form (no such thing equally "housecar" here).

What is utility class, I asked? Same thing equally an SUV. So now I have one real large SUV.

Don

P.S. Do all s'n'southward motorhomes accept two serial numbers?

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Don
1988 MC-9

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I don't know from 2 serial numbers but that wasn't an issue registering in that more progressive province to the e of you Don.  Mine's registered every bit a motorhome in the state of living skies.

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R.J.(Bob) Evans
Used to be 1981 Prevost eight-92, 10 spd
Currently busless (and not looking)
My website

Opposite to popular belief, wise men do not learn from their own mistakes
They learn from the mistakes of others.

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In Manitoba, the registration change from motorbus to motorhome went something like this.....

Me: "I'd like to change the registration from a seated passenger vehicle to a motorhome."
Her: "Is in that location a frig or icebox, and bed in the bus?"
Me: "Yes."
Her: What nigh a toilet?"
Me: "Yeah, theres a toilet as well, but it's a porta-potti."
Her: "Thats fine.  Sign here."

No inspections, no hassle.

Some days you get the bear, and some days the bear gets yous.

Regards.

Mark

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Marker Morgan
1972 MCI-vii 'Papabus'
8v71N MT654 Automatic
Brandon, Manitoba, Canada in summertime
somewhere nigh Yuma, Arizona in winter(but not 2020)

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I know this is an old thread, but............. sigh....... the DMV lady gave me incorrect information when I registered my coach and now I am having to deal with it (but fortunately the cop let me off the hook and didnt do anything other then a lecture.) This may aid others hither also.

Health and Prophylactic CodeRecreational Vehicle, Manufactured Home, Mobilehome, Commercial Jitney, Truck Camper, or Floating Home
18010.  "Recreational vehicle" ways both of the post-obit:
(a) A motor domicile, travel trailer, truck camper, or camping trailer, with or without motive power, designed for human habitation for recreational, emergency, or other occupancy, that meets all of the post-obit criteria:

(one) It contains less than 320 square feet of internal living room surface area, excluding builtin equipment, including, but not limited to, wardrobe, closets, cabinets, kitchen units or fixtures, and bath or toilet rooms.

(2) It contains 400 foursquare anxiety or less of gross area measured at maximum horizontal projections.

(3) Information technology is built on a unmarried chassis.

(four) Information technology is either self-propelled, truck-mounted, or permanently towable on the highways without a permit.

(b) A park trailer, every bit divers in Department 18009.3.

(Amended Sec. 2, Ch. 566, Stats. 2000. Effective Jan 1, 2001.)

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The Petty GTO is a 102" wide and twoscore' long 1983 GMC RTS Ii and my name is Teresa in case I forgot to sign my post

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The strange affair that threw the cop was that I have NON commercial plates with i number, three letters and three numbers which was why the DMV lady told me I didnt have to have a CDL and could put my tags on the dorsum instead of the front.

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The Fiddling GTO is a 102" wide and 40' long 1983 GMC RTS II and my name is Teresa in case I forgot to sign my postal service

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BUT, if information technology is a "non-commercial" vehicle (which the plates conspicuously are) so why in the heck would I need a CDL? California only requires CDLs for "commercial" vehicles............... argh!!!

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The Petty GTO is a 102" wide and twoscore' long 1983 GMC RTS II and my name is Teresa in example I forgot to sign my post

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Teresa -

You lot do NOT need a CDL to drive a "housecar" in CA.

UNLESS:

It's a 45-footer, and then you lot need to take a non-commercial Grade B.

Talk about a GREAT manner to thoroughly mess upwardly the mind of a DMV technician!

FWIW & HTH. . .

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1992 Prevost 40 Vantaré Conversion M1001907 8V92T/HT-755 (DDEC/ATEC)
2003 VW Jetta TDI Sportwagon "Towed"
Cheney WA (when dwelling house)

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