Do Oil Filter Adapters Need To Be Registered Silencer

Apologies if this has been discussed already--I didn't see whatever threads on this, but delight point me to them if this is former news.

I've seen give-and-take here about "solvent traps", and how they tin easily (and illegally) be used to make a silencer by simply shooting through the oil filter. Today, though, I ran across someone selling an oil filter adapter as a registered NFA item. Encounter the "Econo-can" on http://www.americanspecialtyammo.com/Class_III.html.

My question centers on replacing oil filters. Every bit I understand it, ATF has ruled that silencer parts are themselves silencers, and bailiwick to all NFA requirements. Every bit applied here, I'd think that would mean that the finish-user has ii options to replace the filters: (1) pay a taxation, and wait for a stamp, for each replacement filter; or (two) send the device back to the manufacturer to have the filter replaced. Both are completely stupid, of course, and there's substantially no chance that anyone's going to do either of them, only my question isn't about reality, it's near legality. Is there a legal style for the end-user to cheaply supersede the filters? Is there specific ATF guidance on this?

Post by **Bendersquint** » Sabbatum Aug 16, 2014 xi:xvi pm

Y'all already know your answer.

(one) pay a taxation, and wait for a postage stamp, for each replacement filter; or (2) send the device back to the manufacturer to accept the filter replaced.

Post past **GHEN** » Sun Aug 17, 2014 12:19 pm

Bendersquint wrote:You lot already know your answer.

(i) pay a tax, and wait for a stamp, for each replacement filter; or (2) send the device back to the manufacturer to take the filter replaced.

Simply to add to Bough's post, if my memory serves the manufacturer states on their website that they offering the filter replacement as a service for $25.00.

I know a person that has one of these whom I haven't spoken to in a while only he likes the hell out of his. If you just want suppression and aren't worried virtually using your sights or other such nonsense it seems OK as long as you remember that the shipping dorsum and forth to the manufacturer regularly could be a hassle.

GHEN

Postal service by **danb35** » Mon Aug 18, 2014 2:41 pm

Pretty much what I figured, thanks. A friend says that his SOT says in that location's a recent ATF ruling indicating that the finish-user tin supervene upon the filter himself, but neither he nor I accept seen a copy of that, and it doesn't sound right to me.

Post by **Bendersquint** » Mon Aug 18, 2014 3:53 pm

danb35 wrote:Pretty much what I figured, thank you. A friend says that his SOT says there'south a recent ATF ruling indicating that the stop-user can supersede the filter himself, but neither he nor I have seen a re-create of that, and information technology doesn't sound right to me.

Your friend or more likely his SOT is total of it.

If there was such a alphabetic character it would be posted EVERYWHERE as this is a hot topic!

Post by **danb35** » Mon Aug eighteen, 2014 3:59 pm

Bendersquint wrote:Your friend or more likely his SOT is full of it.

Don't think the friend is; he's a pretty straight shooter. Possible, I guess, that he misunderstood what the SOT said, only that doesn't seem too probable in this case. I know nothing about the SOT in question other than that he seems to be giving out bad info, at to the lowest degree on this discipline.

Information technology's interesting to me how much bad legal info gets put out from FFLs/SOTs regarding their own licensed activities. I'd think it'd exist very much in their interest to get the law correct, but it does seem that a lot of them only don't.

Post by **telero** » Mon Aug 18, 2014 7:33 pm

It doesn't have to exist the original manufacturer that replaces the filter does information technology? Any 07/02 tin can change out the filter?

Mail service by **Bendersquint** » Mon Aug 18, 2014 9:45 pm

telero wrote:Information technology doesn't have to be the original manufacturer that replaces the filter does information technology? Any 07/02 tin can change out the filter?

Any 07/02 can change out the filter.

Mail past **ranb** » Mon Aug eighteen, 2014 eleven:01 pm

Are there whatever metal mesh oil filters out there that would piece of work amend than the paper ones? Of so, which ones are metal?

Ranb

Post by **Modeler** » Thu Aug 21, 2014 10:13 am

Bendersquint wrote:

telero wrote:Information technology doesn't have to exist the original manufacturer that replaces the filter does it? Whatever 07/02 can alter out the filter?

Whatsoever 07/02 tin change out the filter.

And so then, if a person were to apply a 'solvent trap adapter' to legally build an oil filter suppressor on a Form one would that person exist able to change the filter since they are the maker?

Post past **srs** » Thu Aug 21, 2014 11:47 am

Modeler wrote:

Bendersquint wrote:

telero wrote:It doesn't have to be the original manufacturer that replaces the filter does information technology? Whatever 07/02 can modify out the filter?

Any 07/02 can change out the filter.

So and then, if a person were to use a 'solvent trap adapter' to legally build an oil filter suppressor on a Form 1 would that person be able to change the filter since they are the maker?

Absolutely non! ATF rules land that only a "manufacturer" (07/02) tin can do that. The Class 1 builder is a "maker", not a "manufacturer".

Mail by **Bendersquint** » Thu Aug 21, 2014 1:38 pm

srs wrote:
Admittedly not! ATF rules land that just a "manufacturer" (07/02) can do that. The Form 1 builder is a "maker", not a "manufacturer".

+ane

Maker = Approved Form1 holder, one shot deal
Manufacturer = Licensee that is in the business.

Mail service by **Modeler** » Thu Aug 21, 2014 seven:06 pm

srs wrote:

Modeler wrote:

Bendersquint wrote:
Any 07/02 can change out the filter.

Then then, if a person were to use a 'solvent trap adapter' to legally build an oil filter suppressor on a Form 1 would that person be able to change the filter since they are the maker?

Admittedly not! ATF rules state that but a "manufacturer" (07/02) can do that. The Form 1 architect is a "maker", not a "manufacturer".

Right. Which is why I used the term "maker". I'one thousand enlightened of the difference.

Mail service by **LawBob** » Fri Aug 22, 2014 i:xiii am

So, let's say Mr. Small Autorepair Garageman owns a shop (think service station), personally. Has a wall (say, 134) of oil filters.

He form1s one of these oil filter adapters in his name and using the store accost (so his wife didn't observe out!) and puts an capricious, simply user-friendly oil filter on it when the postage came back. Information technology shoots Great (for about 24 shots)...

ATF pays him a visit, randomly of course.

Does he have 133 unregistered silencer parts on the wall?

Post by **ranb** » Fri Aug 22, 2014 5:22 am

LawBob wrote:ATF pays him a visit, randomly of course.

Probably non going to happen.

LawBob wrote:Does he have 134 unregistered silencer parts on the wall?

Nope. A silencer is "any device for silencing, muffling, or diminishing the written report of a portable firearm,..." A silencer function is "any combination of parts, designed or redesigned, and intended for use in assembling or fabricating a firearm silencer or firearm muffler, and whatever part intended just for employ in such assembly or fabrication."

Since his oil filters are besides oil filters and not intended solely for use in associates of a silencer, he should exist ok. Unless the BATFE shows up and finds those oil filters full of gun powder residue and with a pigsty in the elevation he's not going to take anything to worry near.

Ranb

Post by **LawBob** » Fri Aug 22, 2014 8:46 am

A silencer office is "any combination of parts, designed or redesigned, and intended for utilize in assembling or fabricating a firearm silencer or firearm muffler, AND any part intended simply for use in such assembly or fabrication."

I don't see the word "solely"

Post by **ick** » Fri Aug 22, 2014 9:06 am

Reminds me of a story.

A man approaches an intersection. He rushes alee since the pedestrian low-cal is flashing. He makes information technology in time and steps onto the roadway where he is promptly struck by a bus.

"Why didn't you look both ways before crossing?" says a woman that rushes over to the bloody human being.

"The law said that I have the right-of-way.... unnnnnngh."

The ambulance arrives but it is too belatedly. The the woman is sobbing merely manages to explain the sequence of events and the last words of the dying man.

The paramedic pauses for a moment and considers what has merely happened. "He was right," the paramedic says, "but he was all the same a fool."

I have personally witnessed, in many cities, pedestrians that recollect the blinking crosswalk somehow makes them invincible.

Post by **ranb** » Fri Aug 22, 2014 9:xviii am

LawBob wrote:I don't see the word "solely"

Only is a synonym for solely. I honestly do not call up anyone is going to have a trouble with their oil filter cans as long as they are registered and don't requite anyone reason to believe they're doing any parts replacement without ATF authorization.

Ranb

Post by **LawBob** » Fri Aug 22, 2014 ten:02 am

ranb wrote:

LawBob wrote:I don't see the discussion "solely"

Only is a synonym for solely. I honestly do not think anyone is going to accept a problem with their oil filter cans as long as they are registered and don't requite anyone reason to believe they're doing any parts replacement without ATF potency.

Ranb

"simply" only covers 2nd 1/2 of the judgement.

A silencer part is "whatever combination of parts, designed or redesigned, and intended for use in assembling or fabricating a firearm silencer or firearm muffler[/u], AND whatever part intended merely for use in such associates or fabrication."

Is an oil filter one of the "parts...intended for utilise in assembling or fabricating a firearm silencer"?

Mail by **Bendersquint** » Fri Aug 22, 2014 11:27 am

LawBob wrote:

ranb wrote:

LawBob wrote:I don't see the word "solely"

Only is a synonym for solely. I honestly do not think anyone is going to have a problem with their oil filter cans as long equally they are registered and don't requite anyone reason to believe they're doing any parts replacement without ATF authorization.

Ranb

"only" only covers second 1/two of the sentence.

A silencer part is "any combination of parts, designed or redesigned, and intended for use in assembling or fabricating a firearm silencer or firearm muffler[/u], AND any office intended only for use in such assembly or fabrication."

Is an oil filter ane of the "parts...intended for use in assembling or fabricating a firearm silencer"?

You are right LawBob!

Post by **LawBob** » Fri Aug 22, 2014 one:06 pm

LawBob wrote:
You are right LawBob!

Information technology depends on what the definition of "is" is, and whether an "Exchange established by the State" actually ways an "Substitution established past the State OR the Federal government" even though at that place is specific depiction within the law as written...

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